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#ed_op#DIV#ed_cl# #ed_op#/DIV#ed_cl##ed_op#DIV#ed_cl##ed_op#FONT face=Tahoma color=#c080ff size=4#ed_cl#I don't think anyone could possibly have to travel any more than about 8 hours to get to a champs, no matter where it was held! And I wasn't the only one that had to drive that much of a distance....acutally Caballo and Nikita, as well as some others did the same as me, and even though I did have to drive that far, I still thought (and still do think) that there should only be ONE championship!#ed_op#/FONT#ed_cl##ed_op#/DIV#ed_cl##ed_op#DIV#ed_cl##ed_op#FONT face=Tahoma color=#c080ff size=4#ed_cl##ed_op#/FONT#ed_cl# #ed_op#/DIV#ed_cl##ed_op#DIV#ed_cl##ed_op#FONT face=Tahoma color=#c080ff size=4#ed_cl#And Yes Xena, I did live very far away! (I've since moved) and to be quite honest, it was closer to an 8 hour drive if not more! Each year the Trillium champs are held around Ottawa and Orangeville, which are both places down *south* if you will. Ottawa and Orangeville only being about 5 and 1/2 hours apart. But what about the people far up north. Ontario is a pretty big Province, which makes it hard for the northern people to be able to compete at any kind of recognised shows, seeing as how much it costs to be able to travel to these shows, as well as to championships.#ed_op#/FONT#ed_cl##ed_op#/DIV#ed_cl##ed_op#DIV#ed_cl##ed_op#FONT face=Tahoma color=#c080ff size=4#ed_cl##ed_op#/FONT#ed_cl# #ed_op#/DIV#ed_cl##ed_op#DIV#ed_cl##ed_op#FONT face=Tahoma color=#c080ff size=4#ed_cl#I just think that one Venue makes for more equal judging. Remember with 2 venues, that means judges are judging on 2 different days, which can make for different judging patterns, as well as possibly the competitors at the 1st venue being judged harder incase there is something better at the 2nd venue.......again just far too many differences that affect marks with 2 venues.#ed_op#/FONT#ed_cl##ed_op#/DIV#ed_cl#xena_n_joss wrote:#ed_op#DIV#ed_cl#ok so we will meld them together and then people like rickie will quite possibly have to trailer even further than 7-8 hours?#ed_op#/DIV#ed_cl##ed_op#DIV#ed_cl# #ed_op#/DIV#ed_cl##ed_op#DIV#ed_cl#Rickie must live way way out far away for it to be 7 hours... haha#ed_op#/DIV#ed_cl#
#ed_op#/DIV#ed_cl##ed_op#DIV#ed_cl# #ed_op#/DIV#ed_cl##ed_op#DIV#ed_cl#I would like to point out that yes, there may only be 6 people in divisions on average, but to get into the championships, I believe there is something called QUALIFYING... If riders cant get the 60% that they need and dont go to the championships that is really not the trillium organizer fault OR the fault of where it is being held. And to add to the I have usually seen more than 6 people. #ed_op#/DIV#ed_cl##ed_op#DIV#ed_cl# #ed_op#/DIV#ed_cl#Now, with all that being said, doesn't everyone think that it is a bit ridiculous to rarely have more than 6 (and sometimes only 1,2 or 3) competitors per class at either an east or west trillium #ed_op#EM#ed_cl#championship#ed_op#/EM#ed_cl#. And yes, I know that they combine the results to find the Ontario trillium champ, but still, isn't it a bit of a hollow victory and a false credit to come home a western or eastern trillium champ when there were 2 other people in your division? Maybe that sort of thing doesn't bother other people, but it most certainly bothers me
#ed_op#DIV#ed_cl#Hendervale too, but I can't think of anywhere else.#ed_op#/DIV#ed_cl#Fritz wrote:#ed_op#DIV#ed_cl#guess what, they are Palgrave, RCRA, or Ottawa Equestrian Park. #ed_op#/DIV#ed_cl##ed_op#DIV#ed_cl# #ed_op#/DIV#ed_cl#
#ed_op#/DIV#ed_cl##ed_op#DIV#ed_cl# #ed_op#/DIV#ed_cl##ed_op#DIV#ed_cl##ed_op#FONT face=Tahoma color=#c080ff size=4#ed_cl#Correct me if I'm wrong (as I haven't been *showing* this year), but as far as I know, you only need a 52% to qualify, and that isn't very hard to get. As long as you're figures and transitions are right, and you ride a have descent test, you get around that mark.#ed_op#/FONT#ed_cl##ed_op#/DIV#ed_cl##ed_op#DIV#ed_cl##ed_op#FONT face=Tahoma color=#c080ff size=4#ed_cl##ed_op#/FONT#ed_cl# #ed_op#/DIV#ed_cl##ed_op#DIV#ed_cl##ed_op#FONT face=Tahoma color=#c080ff size=4#ed_cl#But I just want to add, that this a great to see this much enthusiasm in everyone. Although, I think there we're all going to have to agree to disagree with this one. As much as I understand some of the reasoning behind having to venues, it's just not entirely 100% fair or easily comperative, witht he whole schem(sp?) of things!#ed_op#/FONT#ed_cl##ed_op#/DIV#ed_cl##ed_op#DIV#ed_cl##ed_op#FONT face=Tahoma color=#c080ff size=4#ed_cl##ed_op#/FONT#ed_cl# #ed_op#/DIV#ed_cl##ed_op#DIV#ed_cl##ed_op#FONT face=Tahoma color=#c080ff size=4#ed_cl#And for the person who corrected me on the location of the western championships being held between London and Orangeville, thanks, as I feel that because I am from so far north, I think of them in relatively the same area, seeing as how traveling 2-3hrs for me up north still puts you...well Up North! but that most people do not consider them to be in the same area at all. My appologizes for that!#ed_op#/FONT#ed_cl##ed_op#/DIV#ed_cl#xena_n_joss wrote:#ed_op#DIV#ed_cl#I would like to point out that yes, there may only be 6 people in divisions on average, but to get into the championships, I believe there is something called QUALIFYING... If riders cant get the 60% that they need and dont go to the championships that is really not the trillium organizer fault OR the fault of where it is being held. And to add to the I have usually seen more than 6 people. #ed_op#/DIV#ed_cl##ed_op#DIV#ed_cl#
#ed_op#/DIV#ed_cl##ed_op#DIV#ed_cl# #ed_op#/DIV#ed_cl##ed_op#DIV#ed_cl##ed_op#FONT face=Tahoma color=#c080ff size=4#ed_cl#I am not saying that any place has poor footing, but that there are DIFFERENCES in footing. What is perfect for one horse ride, combination, can be much different than another horse rider, combination, so therefore; having to venues, makes for 2 different footings, and that can also make for differences between horse rider, combination marks. Just a small thing, but it still makes it hard to compair results between the two.#ed_op#/FONT#ed_cl##ed_op#/DIV#ed_cl##ed_op#DIV#ed_cl# #ed_op#/DIV#ed_cl##ed_op#DIV#ed_cl#Fritz wrote:#ed_op#/P#ed_cl##ed_op#DIV#ed_cl#Most venues who fit this criteria will have good footing and good facilities by virtue of thier size, so that arguement is poor.
#ed_op#/DIV#ed_cl##ed_op#DIV#ed_cl# #ed_op#/DIV#ed_cl##ed_op#DIV#ed_cl##ed_op#FONT face=Tahoma color=#c080ff size=4#ed_cl#I really don't think I ever mentioned anything about those 2 people in particular!! All I am saying is that judges are people too, and they have good an bad days, just as Caballo said. And as we all know, people's pet peeves change. I can certainly say that one week my #1 pet peeve may be people not riding to the buckle on their free walk, and the next week, it's people riding riding with too long of a rein in their stretchy circle. Not saying that these judges do that, but that they are people too, and them having to judge 2 different venues with a weeks break, can make for differences in judging.#ed_op#/FONT#ed_cl##ed_op#/DIV#ed_cl##ed_op#DIV#ed_cl# #ed_op#/DIV#ed_cl##ed_op#DIV#ed_cl#Fritz wrote:#ed_op#/DIV#ed_cl##ed_op#DIV#ed_cl#Fourthly, I'm sure this year's current judges Marilyn Dietrich and Joan Russel would be happy to hear that you have so little an opinion of them to be OBJECTIVE in their judging.
#ed_op#/DIV#ed_cl##ed_op#DIV#ed_cl# #ed_op#/DIV#ed_cl##ed_op#DIV#ed_cl##ed_op#FONT face=Tahoma color=#c080ff size=4#ed_cl#I'm quite sure we have all heard the term, "It's hard to do 1st, because the judge never knows what they are going to expect".......#ed_op#/FONT#ed_cl##ed_op#/DIV#ed_cl##ed_op#DIV#ed_cl# #ed_op#/DIV#ed_cl##ed_op#DIV#ed_cl#Fritz wrote:#ed_op#/DIV#ed_cl##ed_op#DIV#ed_cl#Your statements that judges "save their best marks" are preposterus.
#ed_op#/DIV#ed_cl##ed_op#DIV#ed_cl# #ed_op#/DIV#ed_cl##ed_op#DIV#ed_cl##ed_op#FONT face=Tahoma color=#c080ff size=4#ed_cl#I do beleive that most people doing to champs, do trailer in the night/day before, and do stay overnight. I can say that I have stayed over 2 nights, because of the distance that I had to travel. So the argument of needing more stabling I don't understand, as most people even if they are just there for the day, or one night, do rent a stall...so if there is a room for 1 night...why not 2??#ed_op#/FONT#ed_cl##ed_op#/DIV#ed_cl##ed_op#DIV#ed_cl##ed_op#FONT face=Tahoma color=#c080ff size=4#ed_cl##ed_op#/FONT#ed_cl# #ed_op#/DIV#ed_cl##ed_op#DIV#ed_cl##ed_op#FONT face=Tahoma color=#c080ff size=4#ed_cl#Again, I'm not fighting with you on any of this Fritz, and I see your points as well, but thought that I would just clerify mine, as it seems that you didn't quite understand them, or that the way I put them made them come across in a different way than what I intended. #ed_op#IMG src="http://forums.equestrianconnection.com/richedit/smileys/Happy/2.gif"#ed_cl##ed_op#/FONT#ed_cl##ed_op#/DIV#ed_cl##ed_op#DIV#ed_cl##ed_op#/DIV#ed_cl#Fritz wrote:#ed_op#/DIV#ed_cl##ed_op#DIV#ed_cl#In order to combine, you would have to run a 2 day show.
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