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#ed_op#DIV#ed_cl# #ed_op#/DIV#ed_cl##ed_op#DIV#ed_cl#Adi, that is exactly why I did not file a formal complaint - I have never seen it myself, it was a friend who had, and I did not feel I wanted to make a formal complaint based on something someone told me. I do, however, strongly believe that the information is correct, and do not, by any stretch of the imagination, think that the person I suspect was helping the others with purely altruistic motives. This person was not just helping with schooling at a show. I always give people the benefit of the doubt for the reason you mention, and do not go running off assuming the worst because I saw someone helping another rider.#ed_op#/DIV#ed_cl#Adi wrote:#ed_op#DIV#ed_cl#Just a few thoughts for those of you who are suspicious of these AA's. Have any of you seen money being exchanged? How do you really know that these people are accepting renumeration? Maybe they are helping out, sharing their knowledge? I have on occasion with AA status helped people out of the kindness of my heart, not because I was going to get something out of it. #ed_op#/DIV#ed_cl##ed_op#DIV#ed_cl# #ed_op#/DIV#ed_cl##ed_op#DIV#ed_cl#Don't get me wrong, you all have legitimate concerns, but I feel that people are way too quick to jump to conclusions about what people are or aren't doing.#ed_op#/DIV#ed_cl##ed_op#DIV#ed_cl# #ed_op#/DIV#ed_cl#
#ed_op#DIV#ed_cl# #ed_op#/DIV#ed_cl##ed_op#DIV#ed_cl#There's a form of proof for you!#ed_op#/DIV#ed_cl#Fritz wrote:#ed_op#DIV#ed_cl#As this conversation goes on, I noticed an add in the Equimarket section of this site advertising "#ed_op#STRONG#ed_cl#Dressage Training/Riding#ed_op#/STRONG#ed_cl#" by a person who showed #ed_op#STRONG#ed_cl#Training Level#ed_op#/STRONG#ed_cl# #ed_op#STRONG#ed_cl#Amateur#ed_op#/STRONG#ed_cl# at the Toronto Classic show in August and #ed_op#STRONG#ed_cl#First Level Amateur #ed_op#/STRONG#ed_cl#at the schooling show at RCRA at the end of July. It took 30 seconds to look up the results when I recognized the name as a fellow competitor. Shame.#ed_op#/DIV#ed_cl##ed_op#DIV#ed_cl# #ed_op#/DIV#ed_cl##ed_op#DIV#ed_cl#What does that tell you? I guess it means that on Sept 1/05 they decided to be a trainer and will now show Open #ed_op#IMG src="/richedit/smileys/cool.gif"#ed_cl##ed_op#/DIV#ed_cl##ed_op#DIV#ed_cl# #ed_op#/DIV#ed_cl#
#ed_op#DIV#ed_cl# #ed_op#/DIV#ed_cl##ed_op#DIV#ed_cl#Just to play Devil's Advocate here ...#ed_op#/DIV#ed_cl##ed_op#DIV#ed_cl#Is that a form of proof? Just because someone has advertised doesn't mean anyone has been willing to hire or pay them....#ed_op#/DIV#ed_cl##ed_op#DIV#ed_cl# #ed_op#/DIV#ed_cl##ed_op#DIV#ed_cl#The rule discusses recieving renumeration but does not address soliciting for renumeration (successfully OR unsuccessfully)#ed_op#/DIV#ed_cl##ed_op#DIV#ed_cl# #ed_op#/DIV#ed_cl##ed_op#DIV#ed_cl#Granted, I'm in a pot-stirring mood but I've never been much bothered by 'shamatuers' in my classes. The ones I've seen or suspected have not really 'stood out' to me if you know what I mean. #ed_op#/DIV#ed_cl#graciespook wrote:#ed_op#DIV#ed_cl# #ed_op#/DIV#ed_cl##ed_op#DIV#ed_cl#There's a form of proof for you!#ed_op#/DIV#ed_cl#Fritz wrote:#ed_op#DIV#ed_cl#As this conversation goes on, I noticed an add in the Equimarket section of this site advertising "#ed_op#STRONG#ed_cl#Dressage Training/Riding#ed_op#/STRONG#ed_cl#" by a person who showed #ed_op#STRONG#ed_cl#Training Level#ed_op#/STRONG#ed_cl# #ed_op#STRONG#ed_cl#Amateur#ed_op#/STRONG#ed_cl# at the Toronto Classic show in August and #ed_op#STRONG#ed_cl#First Level Amateur #ed_op#/STRONG#ed_cl#at the schooling show at RCRA at the end of July. It took 30 seconds to look up the results when I recognized the name as a fellow competitor. Shame.#ed_op#/DIV#ed_cl##ed_op#DIV#ed_cl# #ed_op#/DIV#ed_cl##ed_op#DIV#ed_cl#What does that tell you? I guess it means that on Sept 1/05 they decided to be a trainer and will now show Open #ed_op#IMG src="/richedit/smileys/cool.gif"#ed_cl##ed_op#/DIV#ed_cl##ed_op#DIV#ed_cl# #ed_op#/DIV#ed_cl#
#ed_op#br#ed_cl#Trinity_25 wrote:#ed_op#div#ed_cl# #ed_op#/div#ed_cl##ed_op#div#ed_cl# I've never been much
bothered by 'shamatuers' in my classes. The ones I've seen or
suspected have not really 'stood out' to me if you know what I
mean. #ed_op#/div#ed_cl#
#ed_op#DIV#ed_cl# #ed_op#/DIV#ed_cl##ed_op#DIV#ed_cl#I hear what you are saying.#ed_op#/DIV#ed_cl##ed_op#DIV#ed_cl# #ed_op#/DIV#ed_cl##ed_op#DIV#ed_cl#However, after a season of watch violations of such basic rules as use of certified course designers at jumper shows, jump heights far exceeding the class spec, horse show management accepting unreasonable amounts of entries + plus continuing jumping competition in unsafe lighting, unmonitored warmup areas with juniors jumping in near dark, dressage judging in accordance to personal preference instead of the rules ...#ed_op#/DIV#ed_cl##ed_op#DIV#ed_cl# #ed_op#/DIV#ed_cl##ed_op#DIV#ed_cl#Let's just say 'shamateurs' are not real high on my radar ... its karma. Smart horsepeople look at someone that stupid +unethical+obvious+arrogant and wonder what else s/he thinks s/he is getting away with. It always catches up with them at the end. Ethical pros who believe in their ability are proud to compete in the open divisions. Competing in the Amateurs when selling oneself as a pro is not very good self-promotion. (ie "Work with me and you too will be just one in the crowd.")#ed_op#/DIV#ed_cl##ed_op#DIV#ed_cl# #ed_op#/DIV#ed_cl##ed_op#DIV#ed_cl#That's why I don't worry about it much.#ed_op#/DIV#ed_cl##ed_op#DIV#ed_cl# #ed_op#/DIV#ed_cl#pawsnhooves wrote:#ed_op#DIV#ed_cl#The person I know is advertising herself as a coach/trainer, is receiving remuneration boarding, training and coaching, and continues to show adult amateur. Whether she is impressive or not is not the issue, there are rules in this sport that others follow. If you want to play the game, you better know the rules.#ed_op#/DIV#ed_cl#
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