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#ed_op#DIV#ed_cl#Well, ideally you want to half-halt before they lose it so that you can maintain the self-carriage. It's pretty hard to learn when without feeling like you're constantly bugging your horse though. I know my coach can see when my horse is just starting to get flat sooner than I feel it, but I am getting better at recognizing him starting to lose his self-carriage faster than I used to. Also I know there are certain times that he will definitely try to fall on his forehand so I half-halt before we are going to head into the situation that he finds difficult. It's a good practice to half-halt before corners or when changing direction, or doing anything different to say "Hey, something's going to happen here, pay attention"#ed_op#/DIV#ed_cl#*rickie* wrote:#ed_op#DIV#ed_cl##ed_op#FONT face=Tahoma color=#c080ff size=4#ed_cl# And when they do loose it, you're right there to half-halt to try to acheive it again.#ed_op#/FONT#ed_cl##ed_op#/DIV#ed_cl##ed_op#DIV#ed_cl##ed_op#FONT face=Tahoma color=#c080ff size=4#ed_cl##ed_op#/FONT#ed_cl# #ed_op#/DIV#ed_cl##ed_op#FONT face=Tahoma color=#c080ff size=4#ed_cl##ed_op#/FONT#ed_cl#
#ed_op#/DIV#ed_cl##ed_op#DIV#ed_cl# #ed_op#/DIV#ed_cl##ed_op#DIV#ed_cl##ed_op#FONT face=Tahoma color=#c080ff size=4#ed_cl#Everything you said Ruth is #ed_op#STRONG#ed_cl#VERY#ed_op#/STRONG#ed_cl# true, but if you feel that you horse is "trying" to fall on his forehand, you've lost the self carriage at "try" unless you have really good feel and reaction time.#ed_op#/FONT#ed_cl##ed_op#/DIV#ed_cl##ed_op#DIV#ed_cl##ed_op#FONT face=Tahoma color=#c080ff size=4#ed_cl##ed_op#/FONT#ed_cl# #ed_op#/DIV#ed_cl##ed_op#DIV#ed_cl##ed_op#FONT face=Tahoma color=#c080ff size=4#ed_cl#I know that the mare that I'm training right now, she has wonderful self carriage, but when she looses it, she gets really rolling in the trot (like a run away car) and I really have to sit back, rebalance and establish it right again. There are many times I can prevent it from happening, as I can start to feel her "trying" to roll away, but even at the "try to roll" stage she's begun to loose it, and roll away, so I am right there to half halt. But I'll admit in many cases, I'm not quick enough to react to it, and she's rolling away before I even know it.#ed_op#/FONT#ed_cl##ed_op#/DIV#ed_cl##ed_op#DIV#ed_cl##ed_op#FONT face=Tahoma color=#c080ff size=4#ed_cl##ed_op#/FONT#ed_cl# #ed_op#/DIV#ed_cl##ed_op#DIV#ed_cl##ed_op#FONT face=Tahoma color=#c080ff size=4#ed_cl#That's what I mean, about when they loose it, you're right there to start all over again. That's the learning process of it. Yes of coarse, an experienced rider would have the feel to stop them from loosing the self carriage, but when you're 1st learning, you'll have self carriage for a few strides, and you'll not "do" anything, in hopes to keep it as long as you can, and then you'll loose it, and have to start all over again. That's how we learn to develop the feel so that we can sustain the self carriage longer, and know when the horse is going to "loose" it. That's what I mean when I said, "And when they do loose it, you're right there to half-halt to try to acheive it again"#ed_op#/FONT#ed_cl##ed_op#/DIV#ed_cl##ed_op#DIV#ed_cl##ed_op#FONT face=Tahoma color=#c080ff size=4#ed_cl##ed_op#/FONT#ed_cl# #ed_op#/DIV#ed_cl##ed_op#DIV#ed_cl##ed_op#FONT face=Tahoma color=#c080ff size=4#ed_cl#Hope that makes it a little clearer....#ed_op#/FONT#ed_cl##ed_op#/DIV#ed_cl#Ruth wrote:#ed_op#FONT face=Tahoma color=#c080ff size=4#ed_cl# #ed_op#/FONT#ed_cl##ed_op#DIV#ed_cl# Also I know there are certain times that he will definitely try to fall on his forehand so I half-halt before we are going to head into the situation that he finds difficult.
#ed_op#/DIV#ed_cl##ed_op#DIV#ed_cl# #ed_op#/DIV#ed_cl##ed_op#DIV#ed_cl#This is one of the most correct explainations on this page... When your horse is truely woking from beind and proper, their nose is actually pushed out the slightest bit. #ed_op#/DIV#ed_cl##ed_op#DIV#ed_cl# #ed_op#/DIV#ed_cl##ed_op#DIV#ed_cl#I have never seen any horses in training put through a full workout with walk breaks whether it is a horse just starting out of an advanced level dressage horse. #ed_op#/DIV#ed_cl##ed_op#DIV#ed_cl# #ed_op#/DIV#ed_cl##ed_op#DIV#ed_cl#Yes, to a certain point you make your horse work and half halt before your horse falls out, because this trains them to hold themselves longer.... But you cant keep doing it over and over, because te horses is usually getting tired when it starts to fall out, so this should be a sign... OK horse, we're going to half half and work just a couple minutes longer and then you will have a break... type thing... even the littlest bit helps. #ed_op#/DIV#ed_cl##ed_op#DIV#ed_cl# #ed_op#/DIV#ed_cl##ed_op#DIV#ed_cl#A good rider will half halt before the horse falls out, an even better rider can gage when the horse has had enough and knows when to break for a few minutes. #ed_op#/DIV#ed_cl##ed_op#DIV#ed_cl# #ed_op#/DIV#ed_cl##ed_op#DIV#ed_cl#Luckily with my horse I can feel the second she thinks of doing something else, she is a big horse, I can tell if she is planning on bucking before she even bucks... shes very easy to read. On a smaller horse I find its harder to feel through them. #ed_op#/DIV#ed_cl##ed_op#DIV#ed_cl#When your horse is in self carriage, you should be able to release your hands forward slightly and have him reach for the contact while maintaining the same rhythm and tempo. Start with your inside hand and then move to both. You should have the feeling that you are riding from your seat/legs alone and that your horse is attentively waiting for your next signal.#ed_op#/DIV#ed_cl##ed_op#DIV#ed_cl# #ed_op#/DIV#ed_cl#
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