Dee 22 & horse sensitivity & flax

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Postby chrystal » Wed Feb 16, 2005 2:49 pm

Hi Dee! I want an undate on the hives situation wth Eja! <IMG src="smileys/smiley1.gif" border="0">
Also was reading on another horse board that flax seed is supposedly really good for horses with skin allergies- I am soaking flax seed so I don't have to grind it ( too much work<IMG src="smileys/smiley5.gif" border="0"><IMG src="smileys/smiley1.gif" border="0">) thought I would pass the info on to you and anyone else&nbsp;who is interested!&nbsp;:-)&nbsp;
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Postby Dee22 » Mon Feb 28, 2005 11:29 am

#ed_op#DIV#ed_cl#Hi Chrystal!#ed_op#/DIV#ed_cl##ed_op#DIV#ed_cl#Thanks for the info and also for asking about Eja's 'hives' (if that's what it is LOL)#ed_op#/DIV#ed_cl##ed_op#DIV#ed_cl#Their basically the same... no better, no worse, not bothering her at all, their just 'there' LOL.#ed_op#/DIV#ed_cl##ed_op#DIV#ed_cl#I'm going to wait a while to ask the vet as I have some things I need him out for in the Spring so I will take care of everything at that time.#ed_op#/DIV#ed_cl##ed_op#DIV#ed_cl#I am also going to try this stuff made by Alpha Omega pharmaceuticals. It's a liquid that you wipe on that is a bug repellant as well as an antihistimine... not sure if it will work for her 'hives' but worth a shot and in summer might be good for her as she gets reactions to bug bites as well.#ed_op#/DIV#ed_cl##ed_op#DIV#ed_cl#&nbsp;#ed_op#/DIV#ed_cl##ed_op#DIV#ed_cl#Hey, how is your course going? PM me and give me all the details! Hope you like it and your having fun with it!! :)#ed_op#/DIV#ed_cl#
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Postby Kaleena » Tue Mar 01, 2005 11:26 pm

#ed_op#DIV#ed_cl#Hey Dee! Got another question about Eja for you#ed_op#IMG src="http://www.forums.equestrianconnection.com/richedit/smileys//smiley17.gif"#ed_cl##ed_op#/DIV#ed_cl##ed_op#DIV#ed_cl#&nbsp;#ed_op#/DIV#ed_cl##ed_op#DIV#ed_cl#Has feeding her kelp done anything for her thyriod lump? I was thinking of putting Cirrus on it as she has had the same thing I *think* since I bought her but just thought I'd check and see if its done anything for Eja first.#ed_op#/DIV#ed_cl##ed_op#DIV#ed_cl#&nbsp;#ed_op#/DIV#ed_cl##ed_op#DIV#ed_cl#Thanks!#ed_op#/DIV#ed_cl#
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Postby Dee22 » Wed Mar 02, 2005 10:08 am

#ed_op#DIV#ed_cl#Nope, didn't do a thing #ed_op#IMG src="http://www.forums.equestrianconnection.com/richedit/smileys//smiley5.gif"#ed_cl#&nbsp;I actually ended up taking her off of it because she hated it... and I don't blame her the stuff smelt nasty and tasted even worse LOL.#ed_op#/DIV#ed_cl##ed_op#DIV#ed_cl#&nbsp;#ed_op#/DIV#ed_cl##ed_op#DIV#ed_cl#A Goiter&nbsp;developes from lack in Iodine, if Cirrus is starting to get one than Kelp might help it (very high in Iodine) but it didn't with Eja, she was on it for 8 months (approx) and it didn't change. But it might work for Cirrus? It definatly can't hurt her and it's also cheap, it cost me $35 for a container that lasted me 8 months, I say give it&nbsp;a try and see what happens.#ed_op#/DIV#ed_cl##ed_op#DIV#ed_cl#&nbsp;#ed_op#/DIV#ed_cl##ed_op#DIV#ed_cl#Have you had your vet look at it to make sure that's what it is?&nbsp;The vet didn't say that Eja had a Goiter but I did have a vet check it out and she said not to worry about it if it's&nbsp; not changing in size or causing her problems with breathing etc. I did a lot of research and decided I'm 99% sure that's what it is though.#ed_op#/DIV#ed_cl##ed_op#DIV#ed_cl#&nbsp;#ed_op#/DIV#ed_cl##ed_op#DIV#ed_cl#Good luck! Let me know how it goes!#ed_op#/DIV#ed_cl##ed_op#DIV#ed_cl#&nbsp;#ed_op#/DIV#ed_cl##ed_op#DIV#ed_cl#&nbsp;#ed_op#/DIV#ed_cl#
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Postby Kaleena » Wed Mar 02, 2005 12:24 pm

#ed_op#DIV#ed_cl#Dee - #ed_op#/DIV#ed_cl##ed_op#DIV#ed_cl#&nbsp;#ed_op#/DIV#ed_cl##ed_op#DIV#ed_cl#I had a vet look at it when she got her first shots with me and the vet pretty much said the same thing, if its not changing and not bothering her don't worry about it. So I haven't. I also did a bunch of research when I first got her because I thought thats what it was from its location but since it wasn't 'doing' anything I didn't bother with any type of supplement specifically for it. I do think that after I put her on Farrier's Formula that I noticed a slight improvement because of the small amount of iodine in it, but I could be also just be seeing things lol. I've been thinking about it more lately for some reason and just thought I'd ask if the kelp helped Eja at all. I might give a go the next time I see it for sale somewhere and see what happens. Thanks for the update#ed_op#IMG src="http://forums.equestrianconnection.com/richedit/smileys//smiley1.gif"#ed_cl##ed_op#/DIV#ed_cl#
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Postby Ellie » Tue Mar 08, 2005 9:15 am

#ed_op#DIV#ed_cl#Hey Crystal,#ed_op#/DIV#ed_cl##ed_op#DIV#ed_cl#You don't have to grind or soak flax seed to feed it to horses.&nbsp; Basically because they can digest the fibre of hay their digestive system can break down the outer hull of the flax seed.&nbsp; #ed_op#/DIV#ed_cl##ed_op#DIV#ed_cl#I can across this piece of information a couple of years ago, as one of the major vet universities in the US had done a study of this and found that the horse gets much more value from being fed whole flax seed than ground, as the ground starts to loose some of the vitamins as soon as it is ground, and soaked can go rancid very quickly. So... save yourself the trouble and feed it whole!#ed_op#/DIV#ed_cl#
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Postby Dee22 » Tue Mar 08, 2005 9:26 am

#ed_op#DIV#ed_cl#Sorry Kaleena, forgot to answer this ;) #ed_op#BR#ed_cl#It was the same thing with me, it didn't bother her, no funny noises, didn't hurt her, no breathing issues and it never changed in size... so I didn't worry about it but I did want to see if there was any way I could get rid of it.#ed_op#/DIV#ed_cl##ed_op#DIV#ed_cl#I found a site on 'Iodine Deficiency' in humans and they spoke of goiters and said that once someone has one it's *possible* with incresed iodine it could go down in size. The kelp didn't work for Eja but who knows, it might work for Cirrus! :) Let me know how it goes or if you see any change.#ed_op#/DIV#ed_cl##ed_op#DIV#ed_cl#&nbsp;#ed_op#/DIV#ed_cl##ed_op#DIV#ed_cl#Re: The flax seed. I used to feed Eja flax seed and always fed it whole as well. ;)#ed_op#/DIV#ed_cl##ed_op#DIV#ed_cl#&nbsp;#ed_op#/DIV#ed_cl##ed_op#DIV#ed_cl#&nbsp;#ed_op#/DIV#ed_cl#
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Postby horsecrazy333 » Wed Sep 07, 2005 12:06 pm

#ed_op#DIV#ed_cl#Hey Guys#ed_op#/DIV#ed_cl##ed_op#DIV#ed_cl#&nbsp;#ed_op#/DIV#ed_cl##ed_op#DIV#ed_cl#I'm so glad this was discussed.&nbsp; I'm putting Emma on Flax but read so much about soaking, grinding, whole I was totally confussed.#ed_op#/DIV#ed_cl##ed_op#DIV#ed_cl#&nbsp;#ed_op#/DIV#ed_cl##ed_op#DIV#ed_cl#Glad to hear I can just dump some in.#ed_op#/DIV#ed_cl##ed_op#DIV#ed_cl#&nbsp;#ed_op#/DIV#ed_cl##ed_op#DIV#ed_cl#Yeahhhh#ed_op#/DIV#ed_cl#
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Postby Andy » Wed Sep 07, 2005 12:38 pm

#ed_op#DIV#ed_cl#There is allways been debate over feeding flax whole, ground or cooked.#ed_op#/DIV#ed_cl##ed_op#DIV#ed_cl#Any research I have done states that horses don't get the full benifits from&nbsp; the Flax because their digestive system can not break down seeds. Also I have this little excert from a university study on Flaxseed (#ed_op#I#ed_cl#Linum usitatissimum#ed_op#/I#ed_cl#) supplementation associated with reduced skin test lesional area in horses with #ed_op#I#ed_cl#Culicoides#ed_op#/I#ed_cl# hypersensitivity.#ed_op#/DIV#ed_cl##ed_op#DIV#ed_cl#&nbsp;#ed_op#/DIV#ed_cl##ed_op#DIV#ed_cl#&nbsp;#ed_op#/DIV#ed_cl##ed_op#DIV#ed_cl##ed_op#FONT color=#ff0000#ed_cl#There has been some concern over feeding flaxseed to horses, as the plant is a source of cyanogenic glycosides and enzymes (#ed_op#/FONT#ed_cl##ed_op#A class=cite-reflink href="http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/articlerender.fcgi?tool=pmcentrez&amp;artid=227015#r16-8"#ed_cl##ed_op#FONT color=#ff0000#ed_cl#16#ed_op#/FONT#ed_cl##ed_op#/A#ed_cl##ed_op#FONT color=#ff0000#ed_cl#), which can interact, releasing cyanide. When consumed in sufficient quantities, flax is widely suspected to be potentially toxic, possibly causing cyanide poisoning in animals. For this reason, it is common practice in the field to boil flaxseed for a minimum of one hour, to release the highly volatile cyanide. #ed_op#/FONT#ed_cl##ed_op#/DIV#ed_cl##ed_op#DIV#ed_cl##ed_op#P#ed_cl##ed_op#FONT color=#0000ff#ed_cl##ed_op#/FONT#ed_cl#&nbsp;#ed_op#/P#ed_cl##ed_op#/DIV#ed_cl#
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Postby xena_n_joss » Thu Sep 08, 2005 8:06 am

#ed_op#DIV#ed_cl#you could always buy flaxappeal... hehe... Already ground ect. Im not sure what else it contains. Alot of show horses are fed flax appeal though, I am going to put Xena on it I think. Right now she is getting fat and fiber and high performance extruded kibble stuff... haha#ed_op#/DIV#ed_cl##ed_op#DIV#ed_cl#&nbsp;#ed_op#/DIV#ed_cl##ed_op#DIV#ed_cl#&nbsp;#ed_op#A href="http://brooksfeeds.com/product03a.html"#ed_cl#http://brooksfeeds.com/product03a.html#ed_op#/A#ed_cl##ed_op#/DIV#ed_cl##ed_op#DIV#ed_cl#&nbsp;#ed_op#/DIV#ed_cl##ed_op#DIV#ed_cl#Flax appeal is already pre-made and has other ingredients and stuff. Im assuming that they boil it and prepare it... I will have to try and find out. #ed_op#/DIV#ed_cl##ed_op#DIV#ed_cl#&nbsp;#ed_op#/DIV#ed_cl##ed_op#DIV#ed_cl#I personally wouldnt feed whole flaxseed... Whenever I have feed it I have bought pre-ground flax.#ed_op#/DIV#ed_cl#
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